Do kids keep apartment when parents die?


#1

Hi all,

I’m writing my will and in the process realized I don’t know what happens to my wife and my apartment in the event of our deaths. Can anybody offer some guidance?

The scenario I’m interested in is if my wife and I die, but not my two underage children. Would they be able to inherit the apartment with their guardian? (FWIW, the guardian, my sister, also lives in Penn South. ) God forbid such a calamity happened, it would obviously be better for the kids to stay in their apartment.

Thanks so much for any insights.

All the Best,
Ari


#2

I have the rules governing retention rights. You will find the housing court will allow you to stay with the children in their apartment. There are attorneys who specialize in these cases; however, II don’t think you should ask the office, they sometimes think they have the right to make decisions that the housing court would reject. For adult children, I believe they must live with you, on the income affidavit, for two years, as their primary residence.


#3

Here is the article from The New York Times:

WHAT IS A MITCHELL-LAMA BUILDING ANYWAY? HERE’S YOUR NEED-TO-KNOW GUIDE TO ONE OF NYC’S GREATEST REAL ESTATE DEALS

by Dean M. Roberts, Esq. | 11/27/12 - 8:58 AM

The 15-tower Penn South complex in Chelsea is a Mitchell-Lama development, where one-bedroom apartments sell for about $70,000…and the years-long waiting list is currently closed.

Chances are that if you moved to New York within the last couple of decades, the name Mitchell-Lama means as much to you as “co-op” to your average Idaho teenager. In part that may be because no Mitchell-Lama apartment buildings have been constructed since the 1970s.

Even if you live in one of the 170 remaining affordable housing complexes constructed under the Mitchell-Lama program (or aspire to), you may be puzzled about the exact nature of your rights and responsibilities.

As an attorney working day-to-day with dozens of Mitchell-Lama buildings for 25 years, I am familiar with their intricacies and nuances as well as the modern-day challenges they face.

Here’s a rundown of the basics, from what a Mitchell-Lama building is to how to find an apartment in one.

  1. The Mitchell-Lama program was created nearly 60 years ago to provide affordable housing in blighted neighborhoods

Back in the 1950s and 1960s, vast swaths of New York City were deemed “blighted” and in need of urban renewal.

These areas include many neighborhoods where, today, many if not most family sized apartments easily cost over $1 million, including Chelsea, the Lower East Side, the Upper East Side and the Upper West Side.

To stabilize these areas and encourage middle-class families to stay in the city, tenements were torn down and 269 Mitchell-Lama developments were constructed in their place.

The apartments were intended for middle-income, working residents–particularly nurses, police and teachers. In exchange for keeping prices low, the buildings received tax breaks and low interest mortgages.

The Mitchell-Lama program produced many rentals as well as co-ops. However, many of them have navigated the complex process of buying out their mortgages and exiting the system, converting into market-rate co-op or condo buildings. A number of Mitchell-Lama co-ops have exited the system as well.

The remaining Mitchell-Lama developments are supervised by the NYC Housing and Preservation Department (HPD) (a list can be found here, organized by borough) or the NYS Division of Housing and Community Renewal.

  1. The big differences between a Mitchell-Lama building and a “normal” apartment building

Price:

The purchase price of a Mitchell Lama co-op–known as the ‘equity value purchase price’–has no relationship to actual market value. It frequently ranges from $4,000 to $35,000. On the higher end of the scale, the equity purchase price of a one-bedroom apartment in Chelsea’s 15-tower Penn South complex is around $70,000–less than a tenth of the $799,000 median price of a market-rate one-bedroom co-op in the neighborhood.

Rents and maintenance are also substantially below market–a more extreme example being a three-bedroom Manhattan co-op with a monthly maintenance of less than $1,000.

Income restrictions:

To buy or rent in a Mitchell-Lama building, you must pass an income test that varies according to the number of people you will be sharing the apartment with and the size of the apartment.

At the Rochdale Village co-op in Jamaica, Queens, for instance adults must earn a minimum of 40x the monthly maintenance of around $1,000 on the apartment, but not more than $96,180, to qualify for a 2-bedroom occupied by 2 to 4 people.

Each year you will need to update your income information. If you exceed the maximum limit, you will not be evicted, but you will pay a surcharge on top of your rent or maintenance. The surcharge is on a sliding scale and normally tops out at 50%. So if your rent is $1,000, the maximum surcharge you will be charged is $500.

Succession rights:

Only family members who have been living with the original occupant for at least two years and have been included in annual financial reports can assume ownership of an apartment when the original occupant dies or leaves.

Resale:

Co-op owners can’t profit on the sale of their unit. When a Mitchell-Lama shareholder surrenders their apartment they receive their equity value back (purchase price) plus any mortgage amortization that occurred during their residency. The shares themselves go back to the co-op.

Limited board review of buyers:

Buyers in a Mitchell-Lama co-op are reviewed by the government agencies in charge of supervising the building. Unlike a freemarket co-op, the building’s co-op board can only reject buyers on very narrow grounds such as criminal record. With such small latitude, many boards hire a third-party to pay a home visit to acquire proof of any issues, like hoarding or the presence of pets where none is allowed, that could support a turndown.

Subletting:

No subletting is permitted, and the apartment must be your primary residence.

  1. What it’s like to live in a Mitchell-Lama building

These are not slumlord-style ghettos. The buildings are generally well-maintained if not particularly glamorous. While they are not doorman buildings, they do tend to be well-staffed with porters, handymen and security guards.

Like rent-controlled apartments of yore, Mitchell-Lama apartments are prized possessions, with residents moving out feet first. That means the population tends to skew to the older side. Moreover, with no expectation of moving out until they are carried out, and with the cost of housing so low, many residents including renters have significantly remodeled their units.

Often, residents who eventually exceed the maximum income levels choose to stay on and pay the surcharge described above. This is not necessarily a bad thing, as in my experience, the most well-run buildings—with good, active boards and well-maintained premises—tend to have greater socioeconomic diversity among their residents.

  1. How to land an apartment in a Mitchell-Lama building

Only a handful of buildings have immediate occupancies. Check this list for city-sponsored buildings with immediate openings.

The remainder have waiting lists that are frequently 5 to 10 years long. Some are “open” lists, meaning you can put your name on it now. Here’s a list of city-sponsored Mitchell Lama’s with open waiting lists, while information about state-sponsored Mitchell-Lama co-ops can be found here.

If a waiting list isn’t open, it’s “closed,” meaning you have to wait until the waiting list starts accepting new names again. At that point, if you meet the income requirements for that building and apartment size, you can submit a card to participate in a lottery for a spot on the waiting list. (Yes you read correctly: The lottery is for a waiting list spot, not the next available apartment.)

Because it can take years to move to the top of a waiting list, you may no longer qualify, income-wise, by the time you get there.

This has led to a complicated kabuki-like dance as people who are getting close to the top of the waiting list begin to structure their incomes to meet qualification levels (for example, by deferring a bonus or commission until the following year).

Once an apartment becomes available you can take it, or wait for the next apartment if you don’t like the first one. If you reject the second apartment, you go back to the bottom of the waiting list or may be ejected from it altogether.


#4

Thanks Joan. That was super helpful!